How To Get A Permit For The Wave Arizona

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As the saying goes, “it wasn’t a matter of ‘if’ but a matter of ‘when.’” In this case, the “when” was the summer of 2009, when the powers-that-be at Microsoft thought it would be a fabulous idea to include a photo of The Wave in Paria Canyon, Arizona on the desktop wallpaper of Windows 7.[1] From that moment on, what had until then been a relatively well-kept secret among hikers and backpackers was catapulted to “Arizona Bucket List” status, and suddenly everybody and his brother wanted to go there. Does that include you? Be ready to jump through some hoops, but be ready to experience a place like no other on Earth, and an adventure you’ll never forget!

The Wave is located in the Coyote Buttes North Special Management Area of the Paria Canyon/Vermillion Cliffs Wilderness Area in Northern Arizona. Areas with this designation are considered ecologically sensitive and vulnerable to irreparable damage if access to them is not strictly controlled. Managed by the Bureau of Land Management, only 20 lucky people per day are allowed to visit Coyote Buttes North and The Wave in Arizona. In order to be included on that list, you must obtain a permit. This can be done one of two ways:

  1. Apply in advance for the online Paria Canyon permit lottery through the BLM’s official website. Ten (10) spots per day are given out in this manner. You can – and should – apply up to four (4) months in advance for your desired date. Applications are taken for the entire calendar month for the month four (4) months ahead. If, for example, you wish to hike to The Wave in October (the 10th month on the calendar), you would need to apply online anytime during the month of June (the 6th month on the calendar). The winners of the lottery would then be drawn on the 1st day of July.

The breakdown for the entire year would look like this:

Application Period Month You Wish To Hike Lottery Drawn at Noon MST or 1:00 PM MDT On
January 1 – 31 May February 1
February 1 – 28 June March 1
March 1 – 31 July April 1
April 1- 30 August May 1
May 1 – 31 September June 1
June 1 – 30 October July 1
July 1 – 31 November August 1
August 1 – 31 December September 1
September 1 – 30 January October 1
October 1 – 31 February November 1
November 1 – 30 March December 1
December 1 – 31 April January 1

There is a $5.00 non-refundable fee to apply for the online lottery. You may choose three (3) different dates to hike The Wave and apply for up to six (6) people. Applicants are notified of their results in the lottery by e-mail on the first day of the month following the application period. If, for some reason, you are not notified by the second day of the month, please contact the Vermillion Cliffs National Monument Permit Desk. Be sure to check your spam/junk mail folder first, though. Only one application may be submitted per month. Please do not try to “game the system” by submitting more than one application per month. You will be found out and both applications will be forfeited.

  1. Obtain a walk-in permit. Read a first-hand account from someone who hiked The Wave on a walk-in permit

20 people a day are allowed to hike to Coyote Buttes North and The Wave. 10 will have secured their permits ahead of time by online lottery; the remaining 10 hiking slots can be acquired by walk-in permit at the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument Visitor Center located at 745 US-89 in Kanab, UT.

Walk-in permits are dispensed for the following day, so you’ll need to arrange for hotel accommodations accordingly.

To try your hand at getting one, you must show up in person (no phone-ins or proxies) at the Visitor Center between 8:30 – 9:00 AM local time the day before you wish to hike. Note that Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time, but Utah does, so if you’re staying in Page, AZ, you’ll have to leave one hour “early” during DST. During non-DST months, Arizona and Utah are on the same time. It has been suggested that first-time participants in this process arrive right at 8:30 AM [2], though it will not affect your chances one way or the other. The BLM ranger on duty will assign numbers to all parties applying. He or she will then draw numbers until all slots are filled.

If your party is chosen, you will then pay your $7.00 per person (and per dog) fee, and get a quick safety briefing by the BLM ranger. You will receive maps, trail guides, and specially-designed bags for packing out both human and animal waste. Spend the rest of your day exploring nearby attractions to your hotel, or just resting up for your trip. Then, get ready to roll to the Wire Pass Trailhead the next morning!

If you strike out at getting a walk-in permit for The Wave, you are welcome to try again the following day. Just hang onto the number you received the previous day and get to the GSENM Visitors Center by 9 AM.

General Notes:

  • The hike from Wire Pass Trailhead to The Wave is approximately 5 miles round-trip. It is considered “moderate” in terms of degree of difficulty. Individuals should be in reasonably good health and have some desert hiking experience before attempting this trip. Those who wish to go further may opt to visit Top Rock Arch, Second Wave, Melody Arch and Dinosaur Tracks, which will extend your hike to 8 miles round-trip.
  • Remember this is a desert environment; water and shade are scarce to non-existent. You are responsible for providing your own food and water. 3 liters of water per person and high-energy snacks with moderate salt content are recommended. If you encounter a pool of water in this area, please avoid wading through it unless absolutely necessary. Do not drink from these pools or allow dogs to do so.
  • There is no “established” trail to The Wave. Many report getting lost on the way in and/or on the way out of the main scenic area. Markers such as cairns are not provided (please don’t make your own) and signs are kept to a bare minimum. Keep the maps you receive from the BLM handy throughout your hike and bring a portable GPS device if desired.
  • There is no cell phone service in the area. Please inform friends and family of your plans, and be sure to sign in at the register box at Wire Pass Trailhead.
  • The House Rock Valley Road, the only means of accessing the Wire Pass Trailhead, may be rendered impassable in wet weather. Even in favorable conditions, it can be bumpy and sandy. A vehicle with sufficiently high clearance to navigate these obstacles is recommended. If you are uncomfortable driving in these conditions, you may wish to hire a guide service. Using a guide does not exclude you from the permit requirement, nor does it increase your chances of getting one.  
  • You must pack out all trash, including your own waste. Burying or burning toilet paper is not allowed.
  • Dogs are allowed, but they must be kept leashed at all times. They are subject to a $7.00 per animal entrance fee (which doesn’t count against the ‘human’ quota), and you are required to pack out their waste as well.  
  • No overnight camping or fires are allowed in the Coyote Buttes area.
  • Again, The Wave is in high-demand year-round. Statistically speaking, your chances are slim that you will get a permit. You should have a “plan B” in mind if you are not selected for an online or walk-in permit. Areas you might consider exploring include but are not limited to: Coyote Buttes South (a permit is required, but these tend to be easier to get), White Pocket Fold, Steamboat Rock, Cobra Arch, Buckskin Gulch or The “New” Wave near Page, AZ.

[1] https://bearfoottheory.com/hiking-the-wave-in-arizona/

[2] https://localadventurer.com/the-wave-permits-coyote-buttes-north-vermillion-cliffs/


  1. Babak Hosseini says:

    Is it too late to apply for December 2019? Is there any way to apply?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Babak,
      The online lottery for December Coyote Buttes North/Wave hiking permits took place in August. The only possibility now is to try your hand at the walk-in lottery, held daily at the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument Visitors Center in Kanab. During the winter months, weekend hiking permits are drawn on Fridays.
      In the very likely event you are not chosen for a walk-in permit either, you might still be able to see The Wave and a ton of other amazing scenery by flying over it. Fixed-wing airplanes and helicopters can be chartered out of Page, AZ, or Kanab, UT. For more information, visit our companion site, TheWaveAZ.com and read “So You Didn’t Get A Wave Permit – Now What?
      If flying is not an option, there are many other areas of the Vermilion Cliffs/Paria Canyon Wilderness Area that are just as beautiful, but don’t require a permit to visit. We are partial to White Pocket, but strongly recommend going with a licensed guide service since the road there is rather tricky to navigate.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  2. ANNA says:

    Can I apply in October for December or it has to be only August? Thank you

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Anna,
      The online lottery process for December Wave permits takes place in August. On the rare occasions that permits are cancelled or returned prior to December, the BLM will post these on their calendar, but again, that doesn’t happen often. Your best bet will be to try your hand at the walk-in lottery at the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument Visitors Center in Kanab. Walk-in permits are issued the day before you wish to hike, so be sure to arrange lodging in Kanab, UT, or Page, AZ, for both the day you apply for the walk-in permit and the following day in case your party is chosen to hike The Wave.
      In the very likely event that you are unable to hike The Wave, there might still be a way you can see it, and that is to fly over it. Airplanes and helicopters can be chartered out of Page, AZ, or Kanab, UT. Neither aircraft will land in the Coyote Buttes area, and the trip will be pricey, but you’ll see a lot of amazing scenery in addition to The Wave.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  3. Paula Puls, Ronnie Puls says:

    I would like to apply for hiking the Wave for a group of two people=my husband and I for December 6, 2019. Paula Puls and Ronnie Puls. Thank you. How do I pay the $7.00 application fee?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hello Paula & Ronnie,
      I’m sorry, but you cannot apply for a Wave hiking permit through this site. You must go to the Bureau of Land Management’s site, which you can access via this link. For your information, there are only two more days left to apply for December permits, so you must act quickly. Otherwise, you’ll need to try your luck at the walk-in lottery in Kanab, UT, the day before you wish to hike.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  4. Rahim says:

    Hi, if i cant get permit to the Wave woudl be alternative that has similar features?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Rahim,
      This is a great question! There are indeed several alternate areas to The Wave that are just as beautiful, yet require no permit.
      The Valley of Fire State Park near Las Vegas, NV, has a feature called the “Fire Wave.” It is located an easy 1-hour drive Northeast of Las Vegas and has a nice loop drive through it.
      Yant Flat, aka the Candy Cliffs, near St. George, UT, also boasts several “Wave-like” rock formations. It is a bit of a hike to get there, ~3.5 miles, and is considered moderately strenuous. AllTrails.com: Yant Flat
      The “New” Wave near Page, AZ, aka the Beehives, is a short hike from US89 just across from the turnoff to the Lake Powell Resort complex
      White Pocket — doesn’t look like The Wave per se, but is still a stunning area to visit, no permit required. However, the road into the area is very sandy, which is why we recommend going with a licensed guide for optimal safety and enjoyment. For a full list of licensed guide services, visit TheWaveAZ.com: Hire A Guide
      Hope that helps! Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  5. Jennie Youngquist says:

    Hi, Can you tell me what months are the least busy for application for the Wave permits? Since I have a flexible schedule, does it help my chances to not specify a specific date on my permit request or is it required to put a date(s)? If I don’t get selected for a Wave permit, can I continue to apply for each subsequent month? When applying for the permit, are the names required at this time? I may not have the names of all the people in my party until the date is selected. I’m hoping I can complete the names at that time. Thanks!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hey Jennie,
      We feel your pain on how frustrating the Wave Permit process can be!
      Having a flexible schedule definitely works in your favor. The times of year that are least competitive for permit applications are when the weather is worst: July-August and January-February. That means being prepared for weather that’s really, really hot, or really, really, cold. Still, you won’t be alone in trying to work this strategy to your favor. If you are not chosen for the first month you apply, you are welcome to continue applying for subsequent months for as long as you want. You are required to submit 3 dates that you can hike at the time you apply, but you are not required to submit all the names of your hiking companions at that point in time.
      Best of luck to you, and in the very likely event you are never selected to hike The Wave, you might consider flying over it. That will be pricey, no doubt about that, plus touring aircraft cannot land at The Wave, but in addition to The Wave, you’ll see a lot of amazing scenery you might not get a chance to otherwise! For more information, check out this article on our companion site, TheWaveAZ.com: “So You Didn’t Get A Wave Permit – Now What?”
      Take care and happy hiking!
      Alley 🙂

      • John Colowich says:


        I appreciated= your great job to advise us the great tips.
        I have one question about lower and upper Antelope Canyon tour.
        I think I have read your comments, but could not locate one.
        If we have to choose one between upper and lower, which one do you recommend?
        I heard different tour company charges different amount for the same upper or lower Canyon tour, is it true?
        Then, do you suggest which touring company is better for the money spent?

        Thank you again, John

        • Alley Keosheyan says:

          Hey again, John,
          If you and your traveling party are in relatively good shape physically, then I recommend either Lower Antelope Canyon or Antelope Canyon X. These are longer slots than Upper, and have a few stairs and ladders to navigate. As for pricing, the tour companies try to keep their rates competitive with one another, so any variance is bound to be slight. If you do opt for Lower Antelope Canyon, there are two tour companies that manage that slot canyon: Dixie Ellis and Ken’s. As to which one you choose to tour with, honestly, it depends largely on who has availability at a time slot that works with your schedule. For the “bundles,” such as the Antelope Lower Canyon + Boat Tour or Lower Antelope + Navajo Village Tour, we work with Ken’s, but if you’re not interested in doing any of the combination tours, again, book your tour with whichever operator has availability.
          For Canyon X, there’s only one operator, Ta’adidi’in Tours
          Hope that helps.
          Alley 🙂

  6. Shirley says:

    Hi I didn’t see anyone ask this question but I’m assuming only one application for permit per group is allowed? Meaning if there are 3 of us only one should apply for the group or can all 3 of us submit applications? Thank you!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Shirley,
      Yes, you have interpreted the rules correctly 🙂 When you apply for a hiking permit, you have the option to submit several desired dates within the month you’re applying for, if that helps, but again, only one application per group allowed.
      Since it is statistically unlikely that you will be granted a Wave permit, you might start thinking now about what alternative activities you might do. White Pocket is a popular choice, and as of yet doesn’t require a permit. We do recommend, however, going with a licensed guide service since the road there is awfully sandy and typically impassable in a standard rental car. Another option for those with unlimited determination to see The Wave, and a vacation budget to match, is to fly over it. Fixed-wing airplanes and helicopters depart out of the Page, AZ, Municipal Airport and can be chartered to fly over not only Coyote Buttes, but Rainbow Bridge, Cottonwood Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, and many other scenic highlights in the area. Flights don’t land at The Wave, but would show you a ton of amazing scenery you may not have the time or inclination to visit on foot. For more information on chartering a flight over The Wave, visit our companion site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  7. Lianna D says:

    When I win permit is it only for me, or my husband can come along? Thanks

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Lianna,
      This is a very good question! When you apply for a Wave permit, either through the online lottery or the walk-in lottery, you must apply for all members of your party who wish to hike. So, if you and your husband want to hike, you must apply for two spaces. If anyone else wishes to join you, you must put their names down on your application. If you were to apply for a hiking permit in your name only, only you would be permitted to make the hike. Your husband would NOT be able to just “come along” with you. If he did so, both you and he would risk fines and/or jail time!
      Hope that clarifies things.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  8. Sukaina says:

    Is it too late to apply for the wave permit for travel dates in Sept 2019?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Sukaina,
      Yes, it is too late to apply for the online lottery for September – that took place in May. However, when you arrive in the area, you can apply for the walk-in lottery at the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument Visitors Center in Kanab, Utah. You would apply for a permit the day PRIOR to when you wish to actually hike.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  9. Jill Schnitzer says:

    I have a large family group of 12 to 18 coming to Arizona in January.p I know I am going to try the lottery for the Wave. I am afraid one of the other families will also try and apply. I hate to tell them don’t. But again I don’t want to give up my chances of getting permits. What should we do?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hey Jill,
      By visiting in January, your chances of winning the Wave lottery are *slightly* higher than they would be at other times of the year, but just slightly. Your best move is acknowledging that both families’ chances of obtaining a permit either through the on-line or walk-in lottery are going to be quite small to begin with. So, even if you were to advise your other family members against applying, statistically speaking, the more likely outcome is neither family getting chosen. On the off-chance that another family is chosen and yours is not, be happy for their good fortune, plan something fun for yourselves, and enjoy looking at each other’s photos over a good dinner and some cocktails.
      If I were you — all of you — I’d start looking at alternate areas around The Wave that are just as beautiful (some assert even moreso!), but don’t require permits to explore. The “catch?” Many of these areas require traveling down roads that can be quite hazardous, and shouldn’t be attempted in a rental car. Working with a licensed local guide can ensure that a. you make the most of your day by traveling with someone who knows the area and b. that everyone makes it back to the hotel in one piece! For more information on local guides licensed to to go areas such as White Pocket, Alstrom Point, Sidestep Canyon, Soap Creek, and the Cockscomb, visit our companion site TheWaveAZ.com: Hiring A Guide
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  10. Roota Griggs says:

    We planning a cross country trip for 4 adults from NJ in 2020. The trip will be abput 4-5 wks. we have seen atlantic Coast and visited Dry tortures, great swamp, blue ridge, okeepenokee, shenandoah and other small and big parks. We have 28 ft RV.
    Plan is to drive to Chicago as our first destination of our trip and go out west to Seattle, go on 101 to at least to LA then, turn East to Grand Canyon to part of 66 to mamouth cave and Gatlinburg to back to NJ.
    I know its lot and may not get to see everything. My must see is the obscure, underrated, least visited parks and cities. ( some big cities can’t be helped)
    I have two questions..
    First… any advise on must see parks. If you have any suggestions on what should be skipped and what must be included… I would appreciate it.
    Second… I am going to try for the wave lottery. How early can I apply for next 2020 summer trip?
    Thank you in advance for the great tips and advise.

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Roota!
      Apologies for the delay in response to your inquiry.
      If you don’t mind, I’m going to work a bit backwards with your particular questions, starting with the Wave lottery: the chart in the post will tell you exactly when you should apply for the online lottery. In a nutshell, it’s four months out. For example, if you want to hike to The Wave in June of 2020, you would need to apply in February. If you wish to hike in July, March would be the month you’d need to submit your application. In the likely event you are not selected for the online lottery, this post also details how you might get a permit through the walk-in lottery permit the day prior to when you wish to hike.
      As for the “must-see” parks in the Southwestern US, the Grand Canyon definitely counts; the South Rim would be where you’d want to go. Antelope Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, and Lake Powell also rank highly on the “must see” list, which you can experience with a 2-3 day stay in Page, AZ. The Utah “Mighty 5” also warrant consideration, which are: Zion National Park, Bryce Canyon, Capitol Reef, Arches, and Canyonlands. However, if this would be too far a swing out of your way, you might simply concentrate on the parks and attractions that are closest to Route 66, aka I-40, this time around. Some good candidates for your time include, but are certainly not limited to, Wupatki/Sunset Crater National Monument, Walnut Canyon National Monument (the latter two are located near Flagstaff, AZ), Petrified Forest/Painted Desert National Park, Meteor Crater and Meteor City, “Standin’ On The Corner” in Winslow, AZ (have a meal at the La Posada Hotel — you’ll love it!), the Wigwam Village in Holbrook — and that’s just in Arizona! There are all kinds of possibilities along the entire route. As you’ve rightly guessed, you won’t get to see them all, but you’ll have a great time trying LOL. For more information and inspiration visit:
      NationalParks.org: Planning A Route 66 Vacation
      NationalParkService.gov: List of Sites On Route 66
      TheRoute-66.com: National and State Parks Along The Route
      Last but not least, be sure to reserve spaces at RV parks in advance of your arrival. Summertime in the American Southwest is not the time to “wing it,” and what with the weather being on the warm side, you’ll definitely want to stay at developed RV parks with access to amenities like air conditioning.
      Hope that helps. Feel free to hit us up again if we can be of further assistance.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  11. Wei says:

    Hi there
    I want to know how i can apply that then i can able to go, its anyway you can help me with that?
    Thank you

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Wei,
      Unfortunately, we cannot assist you in securing hiking permits for The Wave. The rules of the online and walk-in lottery expressly forbid “proxies” or third-party representatives from applying for permits on other parties’ behalf. There is no way to “guarantee” that you’ll be able to go to The Wave as the permit lottery process is very competitive, and it’s not uncommon to find hundreds of people applying for just a handful of permits on any given day. The BLM is considering an increase in the number of permits, but that only promises to be slightly helpful.
      If you want to be absolutely certain of seeing Coyote Buttes North and The Wave, the only way to do that is to charter a flight over the area. Fixed-wing airplanes and helicopters can be chartered out of several airports nearby, most notably, Page, AZ. This will be expensive, but this also affords you the opportunities to see other beautiful scenery in the area with virtually no physical effort on your part. For more information, read this piece on our companion site, TheWaveAZ.com: “So You Didn’t Get A Wave Permit – Now What?”
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  12. Adrian Holmes says:

    Hi Alley
    I will be renting a 4wd (eg Toyota Rav4) and if I am successful in getting a permit for cayote buttes south, Where can I drive to and how far is the hike to the Buttes area?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Adrian!
      We’ll keep our fingers crossed for you in the Coyote Buttes permit process.
      As for where the trailhead to The Wave is, it’s located a few miles down the House Rock Valley Road, an unpaved dirt road that turns South off US89 between Page, AZ, and Kanab, UT. Look for signs for the Wire Pass Trail.

      Experienced Wave hikers recommend that you be at the trailhead, or relatively close by, by sunrise. The hike to The Wave from the parking lot on the House Rock Valley Road (or the “HRVR” as we call it around here) is approximately 3 miles one way. For more information on hiking to The Wave, and another way you might see it in the likely event you don’t get a permit, visit our companion site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels!
      Alley 🙂

      • Adrian Holmes says:

        Hi Alley
        Thanks for the quick response and clarification for parking for the Wave. However I am assuming I won’t get a Wave permit so was thinking of applying for the Cayote Buttes South permit and wondering where I could drive to and then how far to walk to the South Buttes – I assume the parking place is different?

        • Alley Keosheyan says:

          Hi again, Adrian!
          Actually, to access Coyote Buttes South, you would also drive down the House Rock Valley Road, but park in a different area depending on which trail you choose to take. There are several ways to access Coyote Buttes South (CBS), but most hikers seem to prefer the Paw Hole Trail. For a wonderfully detailed map, and driving instructions, visit http://www.TheWave.info: Coyote Buttes South For first-hand accounts of the hike, and the drive, visit AllTrails.com: Coyote Buttes South
          Good luck again, and let us know how you get on!
          Alley 🙂

  13. Rita says:


    I would like to apply for the wave permit for hiking in October 2019 for 2 people, question can each of us separately apply for a permit for us or would we be eliminated since both names would be in the lottery twice?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Rita,
      Sorry, that would be considered attempting to “game the system,” and would result in the disqualification of both applications.
      We’ll keep our fingers crossed for you on getting a permit, they’re hard to come by. If you don’t manage to get one in the on-line lottery, you can try for the walk-in lottery at the Grand Staircase-Escalante Visitors Center in Kanab, UT, the day prior to when you wish to hike.
      For more information on The Wave and alternate sightseeing options that don’t require a permit, visit our companion site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  14. Ann says:

    I’m going to start entering the lottery for Wave hike permits – I’m going to just keep trying and trying. I have a question – when they are drawing the “winners,” if a group of 5 is drawn first, and my group of 6 is drawn second, are we just eliminated, and they draw another group, until they get their 10 people? Should I consider decreasing my group to 3 or 4 people? Thanks – your site is fantastic!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Ann,
      You’ve summarized the procedure for drawing Wave lottery winners precisely. It’s an unavoidable fact that the smaller the group = the better the chance of being picked. However — there are some rumors circulating of late that the daily quota may be raised. We’ll keep you posted on that via our companion site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com, and its corresponding Facebook page.
      Good luck to you!
      Alley 🙂

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  18. Alley,

    I have reviewed many questions and your answers, which helped us tremendously. Would you review our trip (total 6 of us) scheduled in Early September, 2019 as two couples from England joined us? We would like the most and best trip for all of us. We are planning to enter the lottery for The Wave hiking on Monday and Tuesday just in case. If we cannot get in, we will take alternative tours.

    Would you comment and suggest/advise on our schedule?
    I think we are very aggressive in scheduling, but friends from England want to take an advantage of this once in life time opportunity with us.

    Another question is can we do Zion and Bryce Canyon in one day and spend one day in Page touring Powell Lake and Antelope Canyon?

    I appreciate your assistance in advance. John

    Saturday: Arriving in Phoenix around 6 PM
    Plan to drive to Williams or Grand Canyon Village.

    Sunday: Tour in Grand Canyon and leaving for Page, AZ
    Staying in Page until Wednesday morning

    Monday: Possible hiking in The Wave (entry for on line lottery in May) or
    enter the walk-in for lottery for Tuesday.
    Or alternative options like : Antelope Canyon Upper and lower,
    The Second Wave, The Alcove, Top Rock Arch, Melody Arch and the Grotto, Sand Cove, and Fatali’s Boneyard.

    Tuesday : Just in case for hiking in The wave or alternative options:
    1/2 day Float trip in Powell lake and Rainbow Bridge Monument
    Stay in Page and

    Wednesday: leaving for Bryce Canyon and tour/hiking
    Stay in Hatch or Orderville depending upon how late we leave from
    Bryce Canyon.

    Thursday: at Zion Canyon and drive to LV

    Friday : Tour and show at LV.

    Saturday : drive to Phoenix at 6 PM flight departure
    stop by Hoover Dam

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi John and thank you for visiting us!
      I totally understand wanting to see and do as much as possible, especially if your visit to the American Southwest is a “once-in-a-lifetime” experience for your UK friends. That said, your plan is OK, but warrants a few small “reality checks,” as well as some modifications for optimal safety, comfort, and enjoyment.
      First off, if your flights arrive into Phoenix at 6:00 PM, I’d recommend that you simply spend the night there and head for Grand Canyon South Rim the following morning. The drive from Phoenix to the Grand Canyon takes ~4.5 hours. Nighttime driving is strongly discouraged in Northern Arizona for several reasons: 1. artificial/supplemental lighting is deliberately kept to a minimum on local roadways in order to preserve the natural qualities of the night sky. 2. Deer, elk, free range cattle, feral horses, coyotes, and other wildlife are notoriously nocturnal and getting into a collision with one is something best not risked. Sunset in early September occurs at around 6:45 PM. It would be better IMO to rest up that evening, especially if your British companions are still shaking off jet lag. Then make that long drive when everybody’s a little fresher. Whichever you decide, be sure you make your Grand Canyon lodging reservations well in advance of your arrival.
      If you want to try your hand at getting permits for The Wave, you can apply for the online lottery in July if you wish. With a party of 6, though, I have to tell you that that reduces your odds of getting a permit by any means quite dramatically. Another thing to keep in mind is that September is considered prime hiking season in the area, and people know that. Competition for permits will be even more vigorous then. By the way, some of the “alternate” areas you’ve listed – The Second Wave, The Alcove, Top Rock Arch, Melody Arch and the Grotto, Sand Cove, and Fatali’s Boneyard – are within the Coyote Buttes Special Management Area, so without a permit, you won’t be seeing them. The good news is, there are lots of other areas nearby that are just as spectacular, but don’t require a permit to visit, such as White Pocket, Soap Creek, Sidestep Canyon, Pinnacle Valley, or Alstrom Point, just to name a few. Physical degree of difficulty varies widely, but one commonality is the recommendation for a 4WD/high clearance vehicle to get to these sites. If you’re driving a rental car, you’d void your insurance just attempting the journey, so it is best to go with a licensed tour outfitter.
      Where you indicate that you’d do “the float trip and Rainbow Bridge” in one day, that won’t happen for you due to overlapping schedules for these activities. During the summer and fall months, the Rainbow Bridge Boat Tour departs at 7:30 AM and returns at approximately 2:30-3:30 PM depending on the water level of Lake Powell. The Glen Canyon Float Trip departs twice daily at 7:00 AM and 1:00 PM. Check-in for all activities is required one hour prior to departure. Long story short, you’d have to choose one or the other water-based activity, and if pressed, I’d recommend the Glen Canyon Float Trip, because there’s still a way you can see Rainbow Bridge without doing the boat trip: fly over it. Fixed-wing airplanes and helicopters depart daily from the Page Municipal Airport and can show you not only Rainbow Bridge, but the Glen Canyon Dam, a good chunk of Lake Powell, and Horseshoe Bend. You might also inquire about chartering a flight over not only these locations, but The Wave as well. Yes, that would be expensive, but with the odds of your getting a hiking permit being what they are, and this most likely being your UK friends’ only opportunity to see The Wave, it might prove to be a worthwhile investment of both time and money.
      Where you say that you’d “stay in Hatch or Orderville depending upon how late we leave from Bryce Canyon,” that won’t work. You need to have hotel reservations in advance for each stage of your trip. Again, September is a very busy time of year in Northern Arizona and Southern Utah, so hotels will be sold out by the time you arrive. A place that might be a little more conducive to your plans is Kanab, UT. It is centrally located between Bryce and Zion, so you’d be well situated for making the drive to Las Vegas with a detour in Zion.
      The drive from Las Vegas to Phoenix would then take ~4.5 hours.
      Sorry if my comments seem like they’re a bit “all over the place,” but I hope they are helpful. Feel free to contact us again for further guidance.
      Good luck and safe travels!
      Alley 🙂

      • John Colowich says:

        Hi Alley,

        Thank you so much for your input and advise.
        We have shared your input and my British friends are very excited about the trip and they would get over the jet lag and willing to do their best to keep up with us. After reading your advise, we have a few more questions.

        1. How do we get the permit to see these areas you mentioned?
        The second wave you mentioned is different than second wave in Page near the dam?

        “The Second Wave, The Alcove, Top Rock Arch, Melody Arch and the Grotto, Sand Cove, and Fatali’s Boneyard – are within the Coyote Buttes Special Management Area, so without a permit, you won’t be seeing them.”

        2. Driving on Saturday to Grand Canyon Village during night.
        I understood your concern about night time driving in the country roads. How about staying in Flagstaff on Saturday?
        I thought driving I-17 Interstate highway at night should not pose problems of meeting elk and deer.

        3. We are going to stay in Page perhaps for 3 nights to see other places you mention. Is it reasonable to drive Monumental Valley after viewing Lower Antelope Canyon on the same day and coming back to Page to stay in the same place? Is it too much driving in a day?

        Thank you, John.

        • Alley Keosheyan says:

          Hi John, and thank you for your very well-constructed inquiry 😉
          1. The “Wave” near Glen Canyon Dam that I referred to is actually known as the “New Wave.” The “Second Wave” is part of the Coyote Buttes North area, which includes “The Wave.” Getting a hiking permit for this area is extremely difficult. Only 20 people per day — not 20 groups, 20 PEOPLE — are allowed in that area. 10 permits per day are distributed by online lottery 4 months in advance, then another 10 permits are given out the day prior to when you wish to hike at the in-person lottery at the Grand Staircase Visitors Center in Kanab, UT. Frankly speaking, chances aren’t good of you getting a permit for The Wave if you don’t have one already. But, you might consider chartering a flight over that area. Yes, it’s legal! For more information, read this piece on one of our companion sites, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com: “So You Didn’t Get A Wave Permit; Now What?”
          2. Driving at night on I-17, you’ll definitely encounter better lighting, but I’ve driven that road quite a few times and seen my share of roadkill. Wherever you decide to stay that night, try to get to your destination before nightfall if at all possible.
          3. Visiting Monument Valley as a day trip from Page, AZ, is certainly doable, and is often the only option people have because lodging in that area is so scarce. It’s a 2-hour drive each way, and you must bear in mind that Page, AZ, is on Mountain Standard Time, whereas Monument Valley is on Mountain DAYLIGHT Time. So, you’ll “lose” an hour traveling from Page to MV, then “gain” it back as you return. If you are wanting to take part in any scheduled activities, guided tours, etc., in Monument Valley, you’ll need to leave one hour “early” out of Page, AZ. If the prospect of all that driving, and factoring in the time difference, doesn’t appeal, here again, the solution might be to get airborne. Fixed wing airplane tours fly over Monument Valley daily out of the Page Municipal Airport, they typically run ~90 minutes.
          Hope that helps! Good luck and safe travels,
          Alley 🙂

          • Nancy Jean says:

            Hi Alley,
            What’s the best way to see everything, The Wave, Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend?in a weekend?
            Very amenable to paying for tours or whatever needed to get access to these permit requiring areas. What else is there which should not be missed in the general area? The group is 2 adults and 2 teens. Thx very much! Nancy

          • Alley Keosheyan says:

            Hey Nancy!
            As you’ve probably read, the Wave is located in Coyote Buttes North, which is a Special Management Area within the Vermilion Cliffs/Paria Canyon Wilderness Area. A permit is required to hike in that area, which is one of the most highly-coveted hiking permits in the country, so chances are, you won’t be able to see it without employing a little “out of the box” thinking. One way to see The Wave without slogging through the permit process is to fly over it. Yes, this will be expensive, but no, you will not forget the experience anytime soon! Fixed wing airplanes and helicopters fly out the Page Municipal Airport daily. Mornings are the best time to fly for best lighting and lack of wind. Another bonus? You can see Horseshoe Bend on the way to or from Coyote Buttes in addition to other hard-to-access areas you might miss otherwise. For more information, check out this article on our companion site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com: So You Didn’t Get A Wave Permit; Now What?
            As for Antelope Canyon, the only way to tour that is to hike it. Depending on how much time you have, you might consider bundling your selected Antelope Canyon tour with a Lake Powell boat tour as well. If you prefer a more leisurely water-based experience, the Glen Canyon Float Trip, as the name implies, does not go through any rapids, but nonetheless includes a lot of beautiful scenery and compelling history.
            Whatever you decide be sure that you book all lodging and guided tours well in advance, and don’t hesitate to hit us up again for further guidance.
            Hope that helps. Good luck and safe travels!
            Alley 🙂

          • Hi Alley,

            Your help and easy explanations are greatly appreciated.
            When I check the Permit web site for Coyotes Buttes South, all permits for May and April are full now.
            Would you be able to share your experiences how to get the Permit of Coyotes Buttes South for sure (?)
            although you mentioned it is easier than a permit of Wave?

            Would you recommend one or two trails in Bryce Canyon and Zion Canyon my friends from England must visit since we have a limited time there?

            Thank you again, John.

          • Alley Keosheyan says:

            Hi again, John!
            Unfortunately, I cannot share an experience with “how to get a Coyote Buttes South permit for sure,” because truth be told, I’ve never gotten one! As much as I hate to say it, I have never had the privilege of hiking in that area just because permits are so hard to get, lack of time, etc. The way to get a permit if they’re already full at this point is to have a little bit of luck on your side and pray. What I have been able to do is fly over that area. Yes, it’s legal! You might consider doing that while you’re here, too. Yes, it’ll be expensive, but no, you’re not bound to forget it anytime soon. For more information on chartering a plane or helicopter over Paria Canyon/Vermillion Cliffs and other local landmarks, read this piece on our companion site: TheWaveAZ.com: So You Didn’t Get A Wave Permit – Now What?
            As for good hikes to take in Zion, one of my personal favorites is the Emerald Pools Trail. I actually hiked it when you could swim in the pools! Yes, I’m old LOL That’s no longer the case, but it’s still a beautiful hike. For information on it and other trails you might enjoy, visit Joe’s Guide to Zion National Park Hikes
            In Bryce, the Queen’s Garden/Navajo Loop Trail is wonderful, and not too difficult. But here again, it’s just one of many beautiful hikes you can take in this park. For more suggestions, visit PlanetWare.com: Top Rated Hikes in Bryce
            Have fun and let us know how you get on!
            Alley 🙂

          • John Colowich says:

            Hi Alley,

            We are excited about the trip in September now. We really appreciated your advise.
            During the final preparation, we have questions.
            1. Would you advise the trip to Wahweap Hoodoos and Toadstools?
            which road to take and how long it will take from Page or Kanab?
            What other spots should we stop in Grand Staircase-Escalante during trip to Wahweap Hoodoos?
            2. Do you advise the guide tour in Monumental Valley? Or can we drive around with our SUV?

            Thank you, John


          • Alley Keosheyan says:

            Hey again, John!
            The Wahweap Hoodoos is a good hike, but it’s long (9.1 miles) and totally exposed. In September, it is usually pretty hot still, so that wouldn’t be the hike I’d choose to take. Instead, I’d recommend the Paria Rimrocks/Toadstools Trail. It’s a shorter hike, but it leads to some interesting hoodoos, as well as some badlands formations nearby. The trailhead is well-marked, near mile marker 19 of US89 almost smack dead center between Page, AZ, and Kanab, UT. Other nearby points of interest are the Big Water Visitors Center, Lone Rock Beach, Moqui Cave, and Birthday Arch, and Kodachrome Basin State Park, just to name a few.
            Regarding Monument Valley, I would recommend a guided tour with a Navajo guide in this area. You’ll learn a lot more than you would be exploring on your own, and not risk damage to your personal or rental vehicle. For a list of licensed tour guides in Monument Valley, visit the Navajo Nation Parks website.
            Have a great trip!
            Alley 🙂

        • John Collowich says:

          Hi Alley,

          We are revising our trip plan and staying in Knab or Page for 3-4 nights depending upon further recommendations from experts like you.

          We would like to visit many places in Coyotes Butte when we are there although we may not get Permit to Wave.
          We love to visit places like Vermillion Cliffs, Buckskin Gulch, White Pocket, Cottenwood Teepees, Paw Hole and Wahweap Hoodoos.

          Can we visit two to three spots on one day?
          With guided tour, it may be easier to achieve two to three places on one day?
          Which places do you suggest viewing on one day?

          Thank you again for your recommendation.

          • Alley Keosheyan says:

            Hey again, John, thanks for coming back to bounce more ideas off us.
            Here’s the deal: The Wave is in the Special Management Area called Coyote Buttes, which is divided into two sections, North (which includes The Wave) and South (which includes Paw Hole and the Cottonwood Teepees). Both require hiking permits, but Coyote Buttes South permits tend to be easier to get, and, many hikers contend that it’s more beautiful than Coyote Buttes North!
            If you cannot get either a Coyote Buttes North or South permit, White Pocket would make an excellent alternative. The hiking aspect of it is not difficult, but the drive definitely is. Lots of deep sand, lots of horror stories of vehicles getting hopelessly stuck and/or lost since there’s no established trail. That’s why we recommend going with a licensed tour guide. There are many to choose from, I know the owners of Paria Outpost and Vermillion Adventures personally. Both can do a White Pocket/Buckskin Gulch/Wire Pass combination tour if you desire.
            If you have an extra day to work with, the Wahweap Hoodoos hike can easily take up the better part of a day. I don’t recall when you were visiting, but if you’re coming during the hotter months of summer, you’ll want to schedule all labor-intensive activities for the earlier (read: “cooler”) part of the day and bring plenty of water and sunscreen.
            Good luck and let us know how you get on!
            Alley 🙂

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  20. Pat says:

    Hello and thanks for a very informative site. I will be traveling from Denver to Southern CA with my adult daughter mid December and we wanted to visit The Wave among other sites. Is it worth the side trip to go to the center, even if we aren’t able to get a permit? I can’t tell if any of the land formation is viewable without hiking inland. Thanks again for so much information.

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Pat, and thank you for your inquiry.
      Competition for Wave permits is pretty fierce, no matter when you try and go. The good news is that in the likely event that you aren’t able to get a permit, there is plenty of other good stuff to see in the area, including, but not limited to: White Pocket, Sidestep Canyon, Soap Creek, Pinnacle Valley, Wire Pass Canyon, Buckskin Gulch … just to name a few. Which one you visit depends on how much time you have and how much hiking you’re willing to do, or not do. Since many of these areas are located on roads that may be rendered impassable after a rain or snowstorm, we do not recommend attempting to get to them in a rental car, but to hire a licensed guide service instead.
      For more information, visit our companion sites, http://www.HorseshoeBend.com or http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Hope that helps. Best wishes for safe travels, and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
      Alley 🙂

  21. Ronaldo SanAgustin says:

    Hi Alley,

    If I apply online, for me, my wife , two teenagers and a dog, can my wife submit her own application for herself, for me, two teenagers and a dog? Or is that considered “gaming the system”?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Ronaldo,
      Unfortunately, you are correct: you and your wife applying separately for Wave permits for your family would be a “no no.” However, all applicants are allowed to pick three dates they’d be available to hike.
      Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Good luck on your Wave permit application, and for more tips on what to do in the very likely event you don’t get a permit, visit our companion site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Happy Thanksgiving, Christmas & New Year,
      Alley 🙂

  22. Alyssa says:

    Hi there! Thanks for this great post and your replies 🙂 I’m going to try my hand in December at getting a permit for April 2019. It will be my husband and I, so I’m planning to apply for 2 permits. I’m wondering though, as I think we’d like to book a tour guide…do they need a permit as well? Or are they able to piggy-back of ours? Thank you!!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Alyssa,
      Thank you for visiting our site! We wish you the best of luck on getting a Wave permit, and hiring a guide is a great way to ensure that you get the most out of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. If you do opt to go that route, you do not need to secure a permit for your guide. They are automatically, as you put it, “piggy-backed” onto your permit. For a complete list of authorized guides for The Wave and other scenic areas of the Vermilion Cliffs and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monuments, visit our companion site, TheWaveAZ.com.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  23. Krystal says:

    I am planning to apply for next February for my husband, son and I. My son will only be 10 months old and have to be carried the whole time. Since he will not be walking, does he still need a permit? Just trying to figure out if I need to apply for 2 or 3 people.

    Thanks for your help!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hey Krystal,
      Yes, believe it or not, you will need to apply for a permit for the baby. 1 permit per ‘body’ is the rule.
      Before you commit to this, however, you should consider carefully whether this will be a safe activity for your little one, especially at that time of year. February is smack-dab in the middle of winter. Best case scenario, it will be clear, but cold; worst case scenario, you could encounter a blinding snowstorm. Not exactly ideal conditions for a 6-mile hike with a 10 month old in tow. Not to say it hasn’t been done, of course, but be sure you go into this “eyes wide open.”
      For more tips on hiking to The Wave, and alternate activities to consider in the very likely event you are not selected in the lottery, visit our sister site http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  24. Miun says:

    Hi, Alley.
    I’m so glad I found you article. It helps me so much to plan my family trip. I have a couple of questions.
    I’m planning 7-day trip starting from Las Vegas( arriving at 11 am on 10/20 and leaving 12:30pm on 10/27).

    Major places that I want to visit are Zion canyon, Bryce Canyon, Page, Monument Valley, Grand Canyon, Sedona and Hoover dam.

    I’m not quite sure I have enough time to visit both Zion and Bryce Canyons. I have two kids who are 8-year-old daughter and 12-year-old son). I would love to walk one of easy trails either at Zion or Bryce canyons. I’m stuck at this point.
    Do you have any suggestions?
    Thank you so much!!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Dear Miun,
      Hello and thank you for visiting our site!
      Unfortunately, you don’t have sufficient time to hit all the areas on your list and spend anything resembling “quality time.” Since you are using Las Vegas as your staging city, I’d recommend dropping Sedona from your wish list. 1. It’s closer to Phoenix, so more conducive to flying in and out of that airport and 2. It really needs 3 days to do it justice. Save it for another trip, if at all possible.
      A typical 7-day Southwest US itinerary would go as follows:
      2 days – Zion
      1 day – Bryce
      2 days – Page (Antelope Canyon, Horseshoe Bend, Glen Canyon Float Trip)
      1 day – Monument Valley
      1 day – Grand Canyon (hit Hoover Dam on the drive back to Las Vegas)
      As for easy trails in Bryce and Zion, there are many to choose from. In Zion, Emerald Pools and Weeping Rock are considered the “quintessential” family-oriented hikes. In Bryce, the Rim Trail can be enjoyed for as short as 1/2 a mile, up to 5.5 miles. For more suggestions visit: Joe’s Guide to Zion National Park – Recommended Hikes and Utah.com’s Best Hikes in Bryce Canyon
      Hope that helps. Good luck and have fun!
      Alley 🙂

      • Miun says:

        Thank you so much, Alley.
        It helps a lot to plan our trip. I’m so excited!!
        As you suggested, i’m thinking to drop Sedona for this trip.
        Thanks, again.

  25. Renarda says:

    Is the office open on Sunday if your trying to get a walk in permit for Monday?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Renarda, and thank you for your excellent question!
      The answer depends on what time of year you’re wanting to visit.
      If you’re traveling during “peak season,” which is mid-March to Mid November, walk-in permits can be obtained seven (7) days a week. During “shoulder” and “off” season periods, which occur between mid-November through mid-March, walk-in permits are issued Monday-Friday, except for Federal holidays (including Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year’s Day, Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, and President’s Day). During this time, permits for Saturday-Monday are drawn on Friday.
      For more information, visit the Bureau of Land Management Coyote Buttes Permit Information page, or our sister site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  26. Julie Coldwater says:

    Your site looks great!!! We are planning on flying into Vegas (staying overnight) next summer and then going straight to Grand Canyon South Rim (booked already). Then hitting these:
    Page – 2 nights for Monument Valley and float tour at Glen Canyon
    From Page to Bryce
    From Bryce to Zion
    Can you tell me where I should fit in Arches, Capitol Reef, Moab and Canyonlands and how long to spend at each of those? There is so much to do and I’m overwhelmed trying to get a great itinerary together!
    Thank you so much!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Julie!
      Seeing as though you’re planning to hit Grand Canyon South Rim first right out of Vegas, I recommend that you plan the remainder of your itinerary as follows:
      * Las Vegas to Grand Canyon
      * Grand Canyon to Page
      * Page to Monument Valley
      * Monument Valley to Moab (Arches/Canyonlands)
      * Moab to Capitol Reef
      * Capitol Reef to Bryce
      * Bryce to Zion
      * Zion to Las Vegas
      For a more detailed itinerary, with day-by-day suggestions of activities and attractions in each location, check out this article on our sister site http://www.HorseshoeBend.com, “Grand Canyon, Zion, Moab & More: 14 Days In The Grand Circle.”
      Good luck and safe travels!
      Alley 🙂

  27. Christine Shelby says:

    Question. If you submit an application for the Wave. And you get picked. But you cant go. Can you give your ticket to another Person? Or is it then void if the original winner cant go?
    Thank You

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Christine,
      Great question! Unfortunately, I don’t have a great answer for you.
      Wave permits are non-transferable and non-refundable. If you attempt to give or sell your permit to another party, rangers on-site may opt to check for ID’s at any time, and if anything is found to be amiss or in violation of BLM rules regarding transfer of permits, you and they could be fined anywhere from $1,000-$10,000. If you need to cancel your trip you can cancel the permit by mailing it back to the St. George, Utah office at: 345 E. Riverside Drive, St. George, Utah 84790.
      For more information about The Wave, visit our sister site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  28. Jenny says:

    When is the “low season” to increase the chance of getting a permit?
    I’m sure that you can see 500 people in one day in July in front of visitor center but much less in other months… What month(s) has less visitors?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Jenny,
      Great question!
      Nowadays, there aren’t too many timeframes that see a dip in the number of permit hopefuls, The Wave is just that popular. However, we do tend to see a slight decrease in applicants during two distinct periods: the hottest part of summer (late June through early September), and the dead of winter (December – February). Notice the word “slight.” People still go for it, and sometimes do so unprepared. Just last month, we had a heat-related fatality involving a hiker from Belgium. These types of incidents, though rare, tend to happen most often in the summer months. With increased demand for Wave permits spilling over into the Winter months, it’s only a matter of time until we hear about hypothermia-related casualties.
      Hope that helps and best of luck on your quest to see The Wave! For more information about The Wave and alternate sites that are just as beautiful but don’t require a permit, visit our sister site, http://www.TheWaveAZ.com
      Take care,
      Alley 🙂

  29. Justin Bowen says:

    I’d like to throw my two cents in from someone who hiked to The Wave last week (yes, it was hot).

    Choose your hiking partner(s) wisely.

    I traveled with my family to Utah for six days between this week and last to do some hiking. The Wave was not part of the itinerary, but I figured that since we were in town it couldn’t hurt too much to apply in-person. If we won we would then have an awesome opportunity to see a one-of-a-kind phenomenon; if we lost, then we’d just be late in getting to our destination (Zion). Imagine my surprise, then, when I learned that we’d won (I actually forgot my number so I had to go up and look after the drawing was over).

    Fast forward to the trip, the whole day didn’t start out great. The other half isn’t a morning person. So getting her and the kid up at 4:00 AM (after having had less than 6 hours of sleep because they refused to listen to me about the need for sleep) to get ready for the trip and to drive to the trailhead proved to be almost too much; had I known where the keys were I literally would have left them and went alone. The road, as has already been mentioned, is rough. So driving over the bumpy road with a grumpy person next to me made the morning even worse.

    Once there, things were literally no better. I tried to convince her that she needed long sleeves and pants. Nothing I said mattered.

    “Why would I wear long sleeves and pants in the desert?”

    She put on her shorts and a sleeveless shirt and donned her pack – which did NOT have the gallon of water in it that the ranger recommended (I wasn’t going to make my 11-year old – whose pack only carried 1.5L – carry a full gallon of water, so I attached eight extra 1.5L hydration packs onto my bag – which already contained 3L of water and snacks – so that we wouldn’t run out of water).

    On the actual trail, things only got worse. She complained about the uphill slogging through the sand. She complained about the heat. She wanted to go off-trail to find a shorter route to the place that she’d never been to before…in the desert. And then there were the variations on “How much longer?” and “I’m not going any further!” whines from her (my 11-year old was actually perfectly fine for almost the whole trip). Once there, her reaction was essentially “This is it?”.

    The outbound was no better than the inbound. More whining. More wanting to take “short cuts”. More complaints about the heat. More comments about not going any further. Suffice it to say, we’re never hiking together again.

    Now, you might ask: why would you bring someone on a hike who didn’t like to hike? Well, the answer is this: I didn’t know that she was going to be like this. Based on previous hikes, I actually figured that this would actually be a step down. A couple years prior, we actually hiked into Bryce Canyon FROM Tropic. We took a back road to the outskirts of Bryce Canyon, hiked all the way to Sunset Point, refilled, and hiked back to our car (round trip: over 13 miles – in August). We’ve climbed mountains in Yellowstone, did the Angels Landing trail in Zion, hiked and snorkeled in the Galapagos, and have done so much more that led me to believe that she could easily handle this. I was totally taken aback by her reaction to the hike.

    So my lesson that I want to impart to you is, again, to choose your hiking partner(s) wisely. If you are not absolutely 100% confident that your hiking partner(s) will be as excited as you are about the trip, find a different partner. Given that you have a small chance of winning the lottery once, don’t let someone else ruin what might be a once-in-a-lifetime trip for you.

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Holy crap, Justin, I’m so sorry you had to go through that, on what should have been a joyous, once-in-a-lifetime occasion. I, too, would have thought that after doing Angel’s Landing, and some of the other activities you describe, The Wave should have been a piece of cake for your “other half.” Oh well, the desert heat cam turn a lot of people cranky who wouldn’t be otherwise. Your points are well-taken and hopefully, will be of some benefit to future travelers considering a trip to The Wave! It does sound as though your 11 YO is a natural-born hiker and would make for a much more agreeable companion on future adventures — perhaps a Grand Canyon Rim to Rim? 😉
      Take care, and despite this experience, I hope you get to come back to the area again someday.
      P.S. If your SO is with you on a return trip, she won’t say “is this IT?if you guys do this.

  30. Tami Fagan says:

    Do they only allow 20 permits per day or 20 people on the trail per day? If I am hiking with two friends, do we all need a permit or does just one of us need a permit? If one wins a permit and the other two don’t, do they have to sideline?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hey Tami,
      It is indeed only 20 people per day allowed on the trail. 1 permit = 1 body. If you apply for the online permit on behalf of a party 3 people, that means only 7 more spaces will be left for the BLM to grant for that particular day. Another 10 spaces will be given out by walk-in lottery in Kanab, UT the day prior to when you wish to hike.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  31. […] dream is located along the Arizona/Utah border, about 40 miles west of Horseshoe Bend. You have to apply for a permit in advance, as well as pay $5 to enter a lottery. Only 20 people are allowed to hike The Wave per day. Ten are […]

  32. […] dream is located along the Arizona/Utah border, about 40 miles west of Horseshoe Bend. You have to apply for a permit in advance, as well as pay $5 to enter a lottery. Only 20 people are allowed to hike The Wave per day. 10 are […]

  33. Carol says:

    how can I find out who won the lottery for August 2018?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Carol,
      If you applied for The Wave lottery, and were successful in obtaining a permit, you should have received an e-mail from the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) notifying you of such by now. For further inquiry, you would need to contact the Bureau of Land Management’s Kanab Field Office at (435) 644-1200 or utknmail@blm.gov If you were not drawn in the on-line lottery, you may also apply in-person for a walk-in permit the day prior to when you wish to hike at the Grand Staircase-Escalante Visitors Center in Kanab.
      Good luck,
      Alley 🙂

  34. Mariann says:

    Hi Alley,
    Thank you for this detailed information. I am part of a group of four that is trying to get tickets for October 2018. We have a fairly flexible schedule, so can plan our trip around our Wave permits (if we get them.)
    My questions are:
    1. Do you increase your chances of getting a permit if you enter May 1 as opposed to May 31 or is the lottery based on the entire month and what day you apply doesn’t affect your chances? If so, would it be better to wait until the last day and see which days have the least applications?
    2. Can each of our party of 4 submit a different application or can only one person from the group apply?
    Thank you,

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Mariann and thank you for your excellent inquiry regarding Wave permits.
      1. The day you apply for the online lottery does not affect your chances whatsoever of getting (or not getting) a permit. Apply when it’s convenient for you, or, as you suggest, wait until later in the month to guage which dates have fewer applicants.
      2. Only one permit request per party is allowed.
      If you are not chosen via the online lottery, you may apply in-person for the walk-in lottery the day prior to when you wish to hike at the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument Visitors Center in Kanab, UT.
      For more information about The Wave, and other activities to pursue in the likely event you are not successful in obtaining a permit, visit our sister site, TheWaveAZ.com
      Good luck and safe travels!
      Alley 🙂

  35. Jessica Sugar says:

    Hello, I’m wondering what happens if there are ever cancellations? Thank you!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Jessica,
      If you’re referring to cancellations for Wave permits, these are given away during the walk-in lottery held the day prior to when you wish to hike at the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument Visitor Center in Kanab, UT.
      Good luck and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  36. […] you want to visit, be sure to plan ahead: Visitors must enter a daily lottery to get tickets. (This system protects the structural integrity of the […]

  37. Thomas Fung says:

    I’m flying over with a frd from Hong Kong. I would like to make a reservation on either 14/15 Feb. How is there any chance to get 2 lottery?

    Thank you

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Thomas,
      If you’re referring to how to get to Kanab, UT to try your hand at the walk-in lottery for Wave permits for the following day, your best bet is to drive. If you’re flying into Las Vegas, the approximate drive time is 4 hours. Connecting flights from Las Vegas to St. George, UT are also available that would reduce your drive time to approximately 90 minutes. In either case, though, you should plan to arrive in Kanab, UT the day prior to when you want to try the lottery, and stay in a hotel for a minimum of 2 days time: 1 night prior to the lottery, then another night after you complete your hike to The Wave, should you be successful in obtaining a permit. In the likely event you are not successful, there are several tour companies in the area that can take you to other beautiful places that aren’t so hard to get access to, such as White Pocket, the “White” Wave, Mystical Slot Canyon and others.
      Hope that helps and good luck,
      Alley 🙂

  38. […] One of the most highly sought hiking permits in the American Southwest is for the Wave, AZ, located about 40 minutes west of Horseshoe Bend and Antelope Canyon. This bucket list item attracts people from all over the world, with well over a thousand people a day applying for just 20 permits. How to get a Wave Permit […]

  39. cara says:

    Hi Alley,
    I’m a bit confused with the Wave tours… Do we need to apply for the lottery if we are on a tour? Wouldn’t that be included on our tour? Also, do you recommend any tour companies that take you in?
    Thank you so much!

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Cara,
      Sorry for the confusion. As it states in the notes, toward the bottom of the article

      “Using a guide does not exclude you from the permit requirement, nor does it increase your chances of getting one.”

      So you would still need to go through the online lottery process, unfortunately, or try your hand at getting a walk-in permit if you strike out there. In the likely event you do not get a Wave permit, the tour companies that go to this area would be able to take you to alternate sites via prior arrangement, such as White Pocket, Steamboat Rock, Cobra Arch, Buckskin Gulch or you could visit The “New” Wave near Page, AZ on your own.

      As for the best tour company to use, that would probably hinge on where you were staying. For example, if you were staying in Page, Arizona, Roger Ekis’ Antelope Canyon Tours is licensed to go to these areas. If you’re staying in Kanab, Utah, Dreamland Safari Tours comes highly recommended. Right between the two towns on US is Paria, Utah, home of Paria Outpost & Outfitters. They have also been going to The Wave and surrounding attractions for many years.
      Hope that helps! Have fun and safe travels,
      Alley 🙂

  40. Jen says:

    Hi – I’m wondering how to increase my chances of winning the lottery?

    I’ve been listing my party as 4 people. Does this give me a smaller chance of winning, than if my party size was only 2 people?

    Aside from my husband, I’d like to bring our two good friends (who we often hike with).

    Do they mean they draw passes for 10 parties (of varying sizes), or 10 unique individuals? In other words, if my party of 4 got a pass, would they draw for 9 other parties, or just 6 other people?

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Hi Jen,
      Unfortunately, there’s no way to really increase your odds of winning the lottery. Names are drawn at random and so many people apply on any given day that it’s a huge stroke of luck if you win. And yes, when they draw 10 passes, it’s 10 people, not 10 parties. So if your party of 4 won, only 6 other people would get to hike that day. Of course, you’re welcome to apply for 2 people, but that’s no guarantee that your friends would get drawn the same day.
      Now, one tiny exception: plan your hike during bad weather periods. That means dead of winter/heat of summer. Hiking at either time is risky, but summer is especially, because daytime high temperatures can exceed 110 degrees, increasing your risk for heat-related maladies, including dehydration, heat exhaustion, heat stroke and even death (it’s happened). The Bureau of Land Management, naturally, assumes no responsibility for these incidents as lottery winners are well-informed of the potential risks beforehand.
      I know that probably doesn’t help, but we wish you the best of luck! Be sure to plan for some alternative activities in the likely event you do not win the online or in-person lottery.
      Take care,
      Alley 🙂

  41. Clax Basso says:

    I understand the necessity to preserve this beuatiful spot. But I live in Europeand I came 3 times in three different years to Kanab to try to see the Wave, and I never got a permit, in a total of 12 attempts.
    To be honest is rubbish, especially becaue you have to be every day in it to have a walk in permit ( after failed the online lottery obisuly) for 12 mornings I wasted most of my morning to attend a lottery. I am sorry but I think that in the 21st century there should be a better system. Even because then the few pwoplw allowed to get to the wave they make every single stupoid pictures the a man mind is allowed to think of, making it probably more dangerous for the wave than 100 toruist per day consciousnly respecting the place. I am sorry but I have seen now hundreds and hundreds of stupid pictures on internet of people going to the Wave, bringing no respect. and I am a photographer. This is very, very disappointing

    • Alley Keosheyan says:

      Dear Clax,
      Trust us, we feel your pain on this. Between us and our friends, family and associates we probably have over a hundred failed attempts at getting Wave permits.
      The Bureau of Land Management has tried several methods in order to ensure that not only does the fragile area get protected, but everyone gets a fair shake at getting a permit, and right now, this is the best they can offer. If you have an idea for a “better system,” by all means, pitch it to them – but be prepared to deal with an entrenched, convoluted bureaucracy.
      That’s why we suggested alternative activities, such as White Pocket, Steamboat Rock, Buckskin Gulch and Cobra Arch at the end of the piece.
      Wishing you all the best,
      Alley 🙂

    • Mike Corn says:

      “I live in Europe”…”people…make stupid pictures”…”I am a photographer” If I understand this correctly, we should therefore grant a special privilege to this foreigner? Karma is a b*tch!

      • Alley Keosheyan says:

        Hey Mike,
        No one’s saying that at all, but then again, we understand how that particular “foreigner” feels. Scores of people come from all over the world and sometimes spend weeks (and a lot of money) in Kanab, UT, Page, AZ and the communities near The Wave, trying, trying again, and trying again, etc., etc., ad nauseum for just a few highly coveted and hotly competed for permits. And more often than not, they go home disappointed. That’s why we’re working on a sister site to this one, http://www.thewaveaz.com to help promote alternate sites that offer sightseeing that’s just as good, if not better, than The Wave, yet aren’t so strictly regulated. Check it out if you’re inclined.
        Best wishes for continued good karma,
        Alley 🙂

  42. […] One of the most highly sought hiking permits in the American Southwest is for the Wave, AZ, located about 40 minutes west of Horseshoe Bend and Antelope Canyon. This bucket list item attracts people from all over the world, with well over a thousand people a day applying for just 20 permits. How to get a Wave Permit […]

    • Robert says:

      How to get permit in toward end of December this year

      • Alley Keosheyan says:

        Hi Robert,
        Thank you for visiting our site!
        If I understand you correctly, you’re wanting to actually hike The Wave around the end of December? If that is the case, you can enter the North Coyote Buttes online permit lottery beginning August 1st. The last day to submit an entry is August 31st. Those who succeed in securing a permit will be notified via e-mail on September 1st.
        If you do not succeed in getting a permit through the online lottery, you can also try for a walk-in permit the day prior to when you wish to actually hike at the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument (GSENM) Visitor Center located at 745 E. Highway 89 in Kanab, UT. Applications for walk-in permits are taken from 8 AM to 9 AM, with winners drawn at 9 AM sharp. If the day you wish to hike falls on a Monday, keep in mind that in December, the visitors center will observe winter hours, so permit applications will be taken the Friday beforehand.
        Hope that helps. Good luck!
        Alley 🙂

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